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[–] [email protected] 253 points 2 months ago (8 children)

If only we had the technology to open doors without power. One day, perhaps.

[–] [email protected] 124 points 2 months ago (9 children)

But how do you integrate a subscription fee into analog doors? You can‘t enshitify that!!

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Oh that's easy, just make it a one time release switch. You gotta replace the ~~door~~ battery after using it.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The fact a car was approved that doesn't have a manual way to open doors from inside and outside and start it is ludicrous. That's basic-ass level shit. NHTSA is asleep at the wheel.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 months ago

Other comment says there is a way from inside, just not outside (which doesn't help with a young kid/toddler/baby is the inside passenger of course).

Either way, glad this is "only" a huge embarrassment, and not a dead kid.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Or the foresight to have a small backup battery unit used exclusively for emergencies like say when the battery goes out or when someone reverses their car into a lake. The fact these are such death traps shows just how bad the US is when it comes to giving a flying fuck about people over money.

And all the while Elon is touted as some kind of super Lex Lutherian genius.

Honestly if I wrote a fictional book with some of the shit he's done and how the world looks at him publishers would throw it back in my face as being the most unbelievable POS they've read in the past 20 years.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 months ago (10 children)

have a small backup battery

As far as I understand, that 12V battery was that backup...

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Nope it's a separate battery used like in a normal car to power the low voltage stuff so you don't have to use high grade power lines to run the windows and doors

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

During the pandemic my car sat in the garage until the battery died. After 7 hours of charging it, turned on the car and found the hybrid battery was almost full.

I get why the high and low voltage systems are separate, but damn that was one of those "Really!?" moments...

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 months ago (12 children)

I still dont like something that is electric powered making it so you cant get through a door. If there is a short, the battery dies (which it will someday) or generally bad parts could potentially lead to a preventable death. Cars were made so keys (or key like) can open the door no matter what. And especially in the heat everyone is going through in the US.

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[–] [email protected] 146 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

The car’s owner, Renee Sanchez, was taking her granddaughter to the zoo, but after loading the child in the Model Y, she closed the door and wasn’t able to open it again. “My phone key wouldn’t open it,” Sanchez said in an interview with Arizona’s Family. “My car key wouldn’t open it.” She called emergency services, and firefighters were dispatched to help.

Just so nobody thinks someone left a kid in the car and then went into a store or something. Tesla should be paying for the broken window repair at the very least.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Also, this is similar to a use case that Telsa likes to promote. They allow you to leave the climate on while the car is locked.

This makes me never want to trust the dog and camp modes they advertise.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 months ago (2 children)

In this specific example, I believe the driver buckled the child, closed the door, then was unable to open any door before starting the vehicle. Is it possible to either start the vehicle or at least turn on the climate control from outside? If not, this was a horribly dangerous situation.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 months ago

Yeah, this wasn’t even intentional. The car just shit out while she was getting the car situated. Very scary.

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[–] [email protected] 93 points 2 months ago (30 children)

Whenever essential functions (e.g. access) are powered, they're supposed to have manual overrides. I'm pretty sure this is a regulatory requirement even here in the States where we're stupid and regulatory agencies are mostly captured.

So WTF happened, Tesla? Where's the manual override for when the battery fails?

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[–] [email protected] 88 points 2 months ago (8 children)

Failsafe.

Fail Safe.

Fail Open.

Elon is why we need to write safety regulations. He's the kind of guy who would put sawdust in your food and call it innovation.

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[–] [email protected] 86 points 2 months ago (12 children)

I had something similar happen to me years ago in a Toyota minivan. The car stalled and died in traffic, some kind of electrical glitch. I got out to raise the hood. The door closed behind me and it came up with just enough battery to lock itself, with my keys in the ignition and my two babies and quadriplegic husband inside. It was 107° outside. And pre-cellphones. I bolted to the nearby gas station to call 911 and grab something to break a window. Meanwhile hubby tried to coach toddler how to wriggle out of car seat and open door, but straps were too snug. Firehouse was near, and the jammed traffic was all in one direction so they used the opposite side and didn't take long, and they jimmied the door open quickly. But it was boiling in there. Sat the kids by the road to cool off with water and get checked by paramedics, gave water to husband in car with open doors, and waited for a tow to the gas station so I could lower the ramp and get my husband out. Meanwhile of course we made the traffic even worse, but people weren't too mad when they saw our plight as they squeezed past.

I'm wondering, did some similar glitch happen here, or do Tesla doors lock every time they shut?

[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 months ago (7 children)

Might be the doors are fail shut if anything happens... But that seems like the worst design ever.

Come to think of it, it's basic design to designate features as fail closed/fail open on loss of power in an emergency, and you go with what's inherently safe. It appears Tesla did not consider basic safety design. To no one's surprise.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You're assuming they didn't consider it, vs having considered it and thought that its more important to protect property than peoples' lives. Again, to no one's surprise.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm glad that had a happy ending and sorry that happen. Autolock is so dangerous.

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 2 months ago (5 children)

There was a time I wanted a Tesla, but I don't anymore. This is just another reason why.

Does Tesla care about making a "neat thing" or do they care about making "a car that can drive me places". The doors clearly show they prioritize making a "neat thing", but I want a reliable car.

Opening and closing doors was a solved problem. Somehow Tesla made it worse.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Does Tesla care about making a "neat thing" or do they care about making "a car that can drive me places"

Neither. Care about making money.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago (2 children)

One thing about Musk, I think he does care more about making a thing. Money is involved; but mostly because it's necessary to make the thing.

It's just that the things he wants to make are increasingly stupid and childish.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The headline rambles a little bit, and by the time I got to ", died", I thought the toddler was dead.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 months ago (4 children)

"Arizona toddler rescued..." I dont think a dead child can be rescued anymore

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 2 months ago (19 children)

Not even the door locks are mechanical? So much built-in obsolescence...

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (10 children)

The fucking DOORS require a charged battery? Fuck that. That decision will age great in the next ten years. Not to mention emergency situations where the electrical system is compromised.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 months ago (8 children)

It's worse than that: it requires the old school lead acid 12v battery to be charged, so even if the car's battery is full, it doesn't matter if that old car battery has failed

That's not unique to Tesla EVs, but it being required to open the doors may be (the 12v lead acid runs the general vehicle electronics rather than down converting the 400v or 800v main battery... I don't understand that decision, but I'm no electronics expert so there may be really good reasons for it...)

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 months ago (12 children)

Now imagine this happens in a remote area with no cell coverage. In Arizona those are a thing too.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago (12 children)

I assume Arizona has rocks and bricks and stuff lying around somewhere

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Why not just open the door with the key like every car ever

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 months ago (9 children)

what happens when a car catches fire because the electrical system is on fire and you can't Open the door because it's electric

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 months ago (4 children)

There should really be a law, requiring a certain list of mechanical things to exist on the car. So far, it's only the emergency turn signals, and what, the mirrors? The door handles absolutely need to be on that list

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