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[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Man they're ahead of schedule, GTK3 isn't even obsolete yet

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They're not yet switching to GTK3. They're backporting GTK3 features to GTK2.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago

year of the Linux desktop before gimp 3

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I don't want to sound ungrateful to their earnest effort, but at this point, GIMP3 is like the running joke of the open source world.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Not sure why the downvotes. The good news is that we should be very close to the end of that with GIMP 3 out very soon.

Earlier in the year they announced that it was expected in July or so. I hold out hope that they at least get it out this year. Once it is out, all will be forgieven. Let’s hope that we do not see as long of a delay next time.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I've read the exact same comment a year ago, and the year before, and probably the year before that tbh.

So I'll say what I always say; I'll believe it when I see it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

https://www.gimp.org/news/2024/05/05/gimp-2-10-38-released/

This (possibly last) GIMP 2 stable release brings much-requested backports from GTK3, including improved support for tablets on Windows. A number of bug fixes and minor improvements are also included in this release.

If the release says that this is possibly the last GIMP2 stable release, it feels like GIMP3 is actually on its way. I understand your cynicism, but I'd be more optimistic this time around.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago

They've been mentioning GTK 3 since like the last decade tho...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I didn't downvote but for a lot of the time the core devs were mostly 1-2 ppl working some evenings because they have dayjobs/lives. They released many updates to 2.10, and they're often feature releases not just bugfix releases. At the same time they almost completely rewrote the backend to use a new graphics library GEGL, which they also wrote from scratch. As for GIMP 3 they have also redone a lot under the hood to allow for easier development of new features moving forward and custom old GTK widgets updating to GTK3 required rearchitecturing as they work fundamentally differently from modern GTK3/4 versions.

So that's why I don't joke, there's also nothing to forgive. Let's hope that GIMP 3 will get more interest from devs with its more modern and capable architecture.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

~~The "running joke" used by millions for serious and playful projects? [edited for punctuation]~~

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I was talking specifically about v3, which is not out (yet?).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Oooooh, okay, I misread. Apologies.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (3 children)

What even is GTK2 and GTK3?

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

GTK is a UI toolkit, i.e. a piece of software that draws uniform-looking buttons and scrollbars and the like.

GTK used to stand for "GIMP toolkit" but GTK and GIMP development are now entirely separate, so much so, in fact, that 13 years after the release of GTK 3 and 3 years after the release of GTK 4, GIMP still hasn't upgraded to either.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

13 years, damn...

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Because it doesn't need anything in GTK 3 and 4. They're either cosmetic changes or UX changes and Gimp has no reason to adopt either.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

GIMP has had a GTK 3 port in development for years. They just lack the developer bandwidth to finish it. And in general, using EOLed libraries for your very popular application is not great, not for security, not for usability, and not for compatibility with modern systems.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Not true. There are tons of things like Wayland support that are only good in GTK3, and even then likely not complete

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

When the widget toolkit needs explicit and direct support for the graphics server you're doing something very wrong.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The way I see it, GTK is really a framework for building cross-platform GUI apps. Then handling display server compatibility makes perfect sense to me.

If this was meant to be a dig at Wayland, I'm pretty sure GTK also needs explicit and direct support for X11, Windows and MacOS. It just already exists.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

It's not a dig at Wayland. You really don't want to have to add specific support for the OS directly in your widget library. There should be an abstraction layer in-between that deals with that. If that layer had been there they wouldn't have to rewrite the whole thing.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Gtk 2 is old, Gtk 3 current and Gtk 4 is new.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Different versions of the Gnome Took Kit: https://www.gtk.org/

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I thought they have renamed it one day from GTK+ Gimp Tool Kit to Gnome Tool Kit, but I do not find this anymore. Imho Gnome Toolkit would be at least much more appropriate…

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

They renamed it to GTK, dropping the initialism. It was always intended as a generic toolkit. At least until v4.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

At this point im just happy when it doesnt crash while changing text color..

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

I pretty much avoid GIMP now. It became a pity download years ago, but now I'm just not bothering to wait for them to bring the software to the current decade.

Alternatives exist like Photopea, which even with a quarter of the screen covered in ads is way more performant, let alone productive.

Not to blame the maintainers, it seems like they've been left with a mess of spaghetti and no one is willing to help out. I can't say I'm surprised it's taken so long.