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[-] [email protected] 64 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

This is probably the worst of these kind of illustrations that I have seen. Notably the final panel is not the removal of systemic barriers but rather a use of resources to balance out disadvantage so that "equal" remedies are now a solution. There are problems in every panel though.

[-] [email protected] 25 points 5 days ago

It's kinda hard to illustrate them taking turns picking the fruit and equitably sharing what they pick each time. What happens if a third person shows up. Or if one of these people is selling the apples for export to a prosperous country and the other is feeding the destitute in their village.

But you don't need to know the co-ordinates of perfection to know which direction is better.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago

I agree. An apple tree is super uncomplicated. How to do that with actual abilities people have? Be out randomly or from training.

Image a tiny woman or man that want to work as a fire fighter. Now what? There is no way to make them stronger and bigger, which you need to be to handle the equipment, rescue people etc.

Someone has a disability and can't walk? We can easily add ramps to buildings and help them up.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

And what to do if everybody wants not apples but meat, produced in other countries and nobody wanting to process it in the own country? This is literally happening in Germany currently, at least there is something to stop that insanity.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

I do not understand how that has anything to do with this topic.

The people in the other country do that because they want to, Germany is not forcing them, right? Germany moved it to them on their own free will too, right?

[-] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago

Calling it force is probably the wrong word. Its usually the larger company/country approaching the smaller company/country with a business opportunity. There are cases of smaller countries essentially searching out larger markets for goods too, but in either case, both sides want to make money. The problem as I see it, is that the larger entity usually has more power with money and politics, and will push to increase profits as much as possible, without regard to the negatives that would affect the smaller entity.

Even if there are negatives that affect a large amount of people, you dont have to pay off each person it effects, you just have to pay the government or get someone elected or whatever it is.

America does it all over the world, we have a tradition of overthrowing governments for profit. Russia has also done it as well, and to a lesser degree so has China.

The bigger the imbalance generally the worse off the smaller group is.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago

It is a more complex "need", there is a supply chain, and the "need" is destroying the planet.

The people producing it may not be able to do something else, etc.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

Through technology we can enable them. Exoskeletons, drones, robotics, etc. We may not be able to level the playing field immediately but there are always things that can be done such as working dispatch.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago

I guess, but the end result of that is shedding our frail mortal forms and understanding the weakness of our flesh, it disgusts me. I craved the strength and certainty of steel. I aspired to the purity of the Blessed Machine. Your kind cling to your flesh, as though it will not decay and fail you. One day the crude biomass you call the temple will wither, and you will beg my kind to save you. But I am already saved, for the Machine is immortal… Even in death I serve the Omnissiah.

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[-] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago

I don't think that's healthy for the tree

[-] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

Yeah, might as well trim it on the left side if you ABSOLUTELY NEED justice. The tree will likely be just fine.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 5 days ago

This is not what equity means. I like what you want it to mean, but make up a word instead of taking one with a different meaning in the same category.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 5 days ago

Those pickers aren't OSHA compliant smdh 😞

[-] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

This isn't a illustration on what these words actually mean, it's an illustration how the author interprets these words.

I say, but then again, what else could one put in such an illustration but their own vision.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago

The thing that gets people up in arms is that you can't see the shape of tree nearly as easily* as you can see the height of the ladders, so the "equality" solution may just look like giving an advantage to your favorite group.

*Yes, we have ways to see the shape of the tree, but that's through studies and trusting experts, whereas you can see the height of the ladders plainly.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Inequality is a complicated mess of systems that have been operating in a certain way for so long, that it all feels normal. And for those in a position of privilege, it feels like it's operating in the best way it could. They literally can't see past it without a ton of effort, research, and analysis.

What they can see is that someone gets a taller ladder and they think that's unfair without being able to see that the taller ladder still doesn't give that person equal access to resources and they started in a hole in the first place.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

Waits patiently for the people shouting those kids should grow their own tree, just like the one about the boxes

[-] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

If anyone's bothered by the horrendous image quality, the best source of each panel I could find is this page from UKFIET's 2021 materials. The credit in the lower-right indicates someone by the handle @lunchbreath built it for John Maeda's Design In Tech Report 2019, but I can't seem to get his site working to a point where I can view the report itself.

Edit: Better source.

this post was submitted on 15 May 2024
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