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The memes of the climate

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The climate of the memes of the climate!

Planet is on fire!

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[–] [email protected] 95 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.” Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.

  • Martin Luther King Jr, Letter from the Birmingham Jail

Edit: I guess the more radical aspects of MLK's beliefs still upset moderates

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

very much the vibes in these comments, "how dare you inconvenience us"

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (40 children)

Honestly, what is this road glueing good for? You are annoying people who are not the root cause and allowing news sites and trolls to make an enemy of you.

Congratulations, you really showed them.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (9 children)

It'd be much more interesting and impactful to do something like espionage on oil wells or pipelines. Hurt the profits of the companies forcing it rather than everything stuck in a bad system.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That is not what gatekeeping is. Gatekeeping would be saying they aren't real climate activists or something like that.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago

Look at this dude here gatekeeping gatekeeping. /s

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Gluing yourself to roads (and damaging pieces of art) is the pinnacle of useless or even counterproductive activism.

You annoy everybody including those who agree with you. With a message that is new to nobody.

You bring no new argument or information to the table that could possibly convince those who don't agree with you.

You are literally sitting around doing nothing.

This is not activism, this is passivism.

It also does not help, when you fly to the maldives on vacation right afterwards or do other similar schizo things.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What do you want them to do instead?

Just Stop Oil aren't coming with a message, they're coming with a demand. A very simple one that the science and international bodies are clear on.

They've had hundreds of media appearances, are regularly referenced by politicians and have hundreds of people getting involved (and often arrested).

In the short time they've been going they've achieved more than any orgs like Greenpeace etc.

"This is not activism, this is passivism" What a joke. Putting your body on the line, getting a criminal record is passivism? Do tell us what activism you're doing if that isn't.

"when you fly to the maldives on vacation right afterwards" Been hooked in by the right wing media good and proper.

No artwork was harmed.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

People in my social circle defending stuff like this will say "it was worth it for the attention it got" and that's that. No further inquiry needed.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

At that point you have to ask "Who didn't know about Climate Change, and what did they learn by being made late for work?"

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Which is insane, people will turn against the cause instead of joining it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You have to ask yourself what kind of person you are to turn against the "cause" of preventing societal collapse because you got inconvenienced for 10 minutes.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Which makes it being funded by the Getty Oil heiress more disturbing.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

it's not about convincing anyone anymore. we're well beyond that point. those who are not convinced can get fucked now. we need drastic action and it's not happening. disrupting the function of society to demand change is effective.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, it is activism. It actively draws more attention to these causes, because attention drawing things like gluing yourself to a road attract the media to report on it. Sadly, if everyone just passively protests, it is not enough anymore.

Also, gluing yourself to the road that keeps the machines contributing to global warming from running on it is kind of the point.

Being nice doesn't work anymore. The world is actively burning. If anything, activists should be even more pissed than this, and angry at their leaders/elders for denying global warming.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Liberals have a massive problem with connecting with the general public. They seem to pick all the worst ways to try to further their cause. They picks methods to protest that end up turning off people who would otherwise side with their cause.

You pick rush hour traffic when people are exhausted and simply trying to get home to block entire highways to protest environmental causes?? Really? You thought that would endear your cause to these people who are now stuck there? All you are doing is building anger and resentment. A few months back, there was some guy who needed to meet with his parole officer within a certain amount of time. He was stuck in this intentionally created traffic jam. If he was late for his meeting for any reason, he would be thrown back in prison. He was pleading with the protestors to let him go and they wouldn't budge.

Similar deal with groups like PETA. They always have this in-your-face attitude that gets under people's skin. I think most people would consider themselves animal lovers, so how does an organization supposed aimed at the ethical treatment of animals screw up their messaging so badly? That organization always finds the worst ways to spread their message. There was that story months back on how they essentially stole some homeless guy's dog. The poor guy had no other possessions and clearly cared for his companion, and yet they took the dog away from him because he wasn't able to give it the home that they felt it deserved. What an absolute douchebag move and if I recall correctly the authorities sided with the guy and he got his dog back. But why would you do that? You cause more harm than good.

Causing more harm than good is a common theme amongst many of these left-leaning organizations. It is very frustrating to watch since to a large degree I, as well as many others, would tend to agree with the general theme of what the organization is trying to do. Just don't do it that way.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Reminder that ~~until~~ while profit is the only metric companies are judged on, they will continue destroying our planet.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

until profit is the only metric companies are judged on, they will continue destroying our planet.

I think you meant while

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Holy fuck the comments. Is it this community or people who came from elsewhere? Jesus what a shit show

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I protest by kicking dogs end starting forest fires. Thanks for supporting me unconditionally as long as we have the same goals.

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