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I saw the other parenti post from a while back. And I've been meaning to ask about some stuff that I see come up on different places.

One of them being about parenti's book blackshirts and reds. So I've run into specific people who have claimed and bought up that parenti is lying about : how social democrats in germany gave fascists a path and its actually fault of soviets.

To paraphrase them

Soviets gave kpd direction to be hostile and also it wasn't just "socdems will ally with nazis". It was cause soviets gave advice to be hostile to the spd.

To boil it down, they say that parenti is wrong about rise of fascism and he whitewashed soviet mistakes.

The other one that's bought up is the bombing of germany and american industrial ties. I see it brought up that parenti is just lying about bombing in cologne of ford factory. And its actually all lies and say the charlie higham "trading with the enemy" reference is bullshit. They go on to say that american industrialist involvement with german industry is not that deep. And that parenti (and other communists) lie about this to make a grand narrative of american involvement. They bring up nazi economy book by tooze and this site as a debunking lies material.

Now my post isn't so much about parenti, I wanna broadly discuss about the whole notion that soviets or german communists were the reason nazis came to power and that socdems were really not at fault.

And also to discuss that american industrialists involved with germany is some bullshit conspiracy. Which it isn't, given the lengths across the board they spread collaborating after and before the war. I've been reading a lot of stuff on dulles, hw, and nazis spread across into different places for american interests. So I don't think american involvement is some fake conspiracy.

What are your thoughts? (Sorry if this post is too long)

I've seen this piece pop up as some counter in forums or elsewhere online. Its very bizarre, at least in my opinion.

At one point in the piece it says communist led world will still pollute earth like capitalist excesses already do. Down further says how the evil soviets did holodomor genocide or evil ccp great leap genocide and its a ecological destruction.

I don't think most communists are unaware of climate catastrophe or urgency of tackling meat or fossil fuel industry. I don't think those things come about by some divine stroke of shift popular beliefs overnight cause individuals one at a time will influence masses with their choices.

Also the beginning section is odd to me. I don't know if communists or some nominal left leaning people say the ethical consumption line to write off and justify horrible state of the system.

As far as I understand the statement on no ethical consumption : its an indictment of this untenable system and how deeply entwined it is with all forms oppression in order to keep it going.

I don't know overall I think this article is unproductive.