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๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง๐Ÿšจ#ChatControl is back on the agenda: As soon as next Wednesday representatives of EU governments will resume work based on a secret document. https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/documents-publications/public-register/public-register-search/?DocumentNumber=12319%2F24

This is what you can do now to help: https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/take-action-to-stop-chat-control-now/

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[โ€“] [email protected] 26 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)
[โ€“] [email protected] 30 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Until it gets through, there's nothing preventing them from doing it times and times again.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

Sadly yes :/

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

except not getting elected

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Who elected von der Leyen?

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

the members of the eu parliament

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

So, not me and you. So-called representational democracy which is known to be deeply corrupt is very far removed from the rule of the people.

[โ€“] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Why isn't this banned in constitutions? That's the only way to stop them trying

[โ€“] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

There should be a minimum wait time until you're allowed to resubmit.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

But the fascists want to spy, how else are they supposed to control our thoughts? :((

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I mean, ideally, you shouldn't be able to submit a bill that not only goes against all (I'd hope) national constitutions, but also violates fundamental rights as established by the European Court of Justice.

But oh well, let's hope that we can stop this before it becomes law, and if it does, that its implementation gets delayed enough for a hopefully sane judiciary to strike this down.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

you shouldn't be able to submit a bill that not only goes against all (I'd hope) national constitutions

I strongly disagree. That would put EU in a deadlock. It is important that new regulation may be passed top-down to improve legislation in all states.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I tend to align my personal view largely with the German decision in Solange I/II; as long as the EU provides the same protection of fundamental rights as the national constitution (Grundgesetz in germany's case), it supercedes review under national constitutional courts.

My point here was that they're pushing a bill that clearly goes against fundamental rights recognized by national constitutions and EU law.

edit: I presume you have in mind the recent-ish controversy with Poland. I'll agree with you that that one is counterproductive.

[โ€“] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago

Until people are tired, not paying attention or it is watered down enough that it passes. And trust me, it will pass. It's a known formula.