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Following the announcement by beehaw admins to defederate from lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works, there has been many posts and messages regarding that decisions and what other instances will do.

I personally believe Lemmy/kbin can only thrive if there is a free flow of content between different instances, with instance admins taking a back seat and focusing more on the infrastructure and making sure the technical bugs are smoothened out. Community mods can moderate their communities, and users can block the communities they don't find appealing (there's even a toggle in settings to hide every NSFW post from your feed altogether).

We don't want to create walled gardens, nor do we want to make Lemmy more confusing than it already is for new users. We will not be defederating from any instance if there is even one good community on it that our instance users might find useful. So far we have only blocked lemmygrad.ml, and right now we have no plans to block anyone else.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A little bit late to the party here. What is the reason why lemmygrad.ml is blocked?

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Very tanky ultra left pro Russia, pro China, anti everyone else part of Fediverse.

Check them out if you like but they only talk shit about the West and NATO. Put another way, you are not missing much by avoiding them.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

They also support North Korea!

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I just want to be able to control what I see. I have no desire to control what other people see and I sure as fuck don't want other people to control what I see.

That's it. That's my entire position on the matter.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

as a kbinaut, may I ask why everyone feels it's important to block lemmygrad? here on kbin we're still federated with them and things seem fine?

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Because basically, everyone got scared from them being communists/socialists and just decided to defederate from them.

It's nothing more than fear based on years of propaganda pushed by western countries, nothing more. They don't defederate from anyone, yet everyone feels the need to defederate from them. Yes, they do have leftist views, they do think the world of many current and ex communist leaders, but if you don't like that, you can just block their communities ๐Ÿคท.

Other than that, their communites are mostly like everyone else's, politics, memes, piracy, comics, etc. They even have a few LGBTQ+ dedicated communities and about 20% of them are LGBTQ+ acording to a recent demographic survey they had (you can find it in their main community), so... basically, they're human, just like the rest of us.

Many of them are well informed, not to mention highly educated, so I can see why there is fear amongst other instances - a debate starts, most people will flop regarding info, facts, whatever, they'll have the upper hand in the debate, so why actually try and listen to what they've got to say, they're just tankies anyway - defederate ๐Ÿคท.

If you don't like their communities, just block them, no need to defederate from them... at least I can't see a reason.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They support North Korea for goodness sake. Being communists isn't the problem, it's that they support fascist dictatorships pretending to be communist.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Do you support president Washington? Did you know he was pro slavery? Far worse than having a dictatorship if you ask me.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Honestly I had to google who he was, because I fogot. I am British, not American, so he isn't a big deal over hear. Technically he was an enemy of my country not that really matters.

I don't particularly support him if that's what you're asking, as I have no reason to. He wasn't the first person to implement a democracy, and the democracy he implemented wasn't a true democracy to begin with. The ancient greeks did it thousands of years before him and fyi also had slaves.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Likewise, the communism Stalin implemented wasn't true communism. Nobody gets it perfect the first time. But Washington is still praised as the founder of the USA, but Stalin is frowned upon ๐Ÿค”. These are the double standards I'm talking about.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't prasie Washington though. He just took what the Greeks did and made it worse.

Stalin should rightly be criticized. He took a great revolution and ruined it making people hate communism to this day.

Lenin and Trotsky weren't that much better either before you start talking about them. Anyone remember Kronstadt?

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I mean TBF Washington didn't write the constitution and it was politically untenable at the time to illegalize slavery (note: I don't know if he was against slavery, but generally no matter who was president it would've been impossible).

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So far we have only blocked lemmygrad.ml, and right now we have no plans to block anyone else.

Why is lemmygrad blocked, but not exploding heads?

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Is there a place to see what's blocked, and why?

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why did lemmygrad get blocked?

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's full of tankies (fascists who like the color red).

[โ€“] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You really have bo idea what you're talking about, do you... have you even visited the communities in lemmygrad?

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In my point of view it's a kind of censorship. Just let the user himself decide what he wants to see.

[โ€“] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're a second language speaker where "user" is a masculine noun, but other genders exist lol. I encourage you to use "themselves" instead.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Akchually, since we're being annoyingly corrective, shouldn't it be "themself"?

OR is it able-ist to assume the commentor does not express multiple personalities?