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Quadriplegic man’s MAID death from bedsore results in public inquiry being ordered | Globalnews.ca (globalnews.ca)

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think quadriplegic people should be able to end their life if they so choose. This shouldn't be a controversial opinion at all.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yeah the article wants to make it about the bedsore, bit the guy is probably sick of being paralyzed

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yep, and MAID is particularly useful in situations where one is physically unable to off themselves. Wanting someone who doesn't want to be around to remain trapped in that state is extremely cruel.

[+] [email protected] -42 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Always remember the government will always fuck it up

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Are you suggesting we switch to privatised healthcare?

[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 months ago (2 children)

How about we switch to ACTUAL public healthcare, not one where hospitals and doctors offices have to turn a profit delivering services at a price set by the government?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago

Honestly I don't have an opinion on that. In the immortal words of Donald Trump, "nobody knew healthcare could be so complicated"

I'm not gonna pretend I have the answers. I'm not a policy expert. But from what I've seen, I think our system works pretty well when it's well-funded. Maybe a different public system would work even better, IDK.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Now now now, let's not get crazy and expect a reasonable idea to be the right one.

Obviously the only way forward is privatized healthcare, and maximized profits, until the lower class revolts and we do it all over again.

Everyone who gets it needs to start explaining to everyone who doesn't why public services should never be expected to make profit, should be expected and accepted that public services generally operate at a loss, and that none of that is a bad thing. Canada is in desperate need of a narrative change and a legislative overhaul if we are going to survive what is coming as a intact country.

System failure is a fun thing. We need to trim the bloat to try and avoid it.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No. no. Privatization is great. Im american and its so much more exciting. Every time I get the big square envelope I never know if its approval or denial. Its like one of those exciting tv shows you might watch where you definitely would not want to be a character in it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Breaking Bad was amazing that is for sure. haha

I still will never understand how Canadians can look at privatization down south and be all "I want some of that!". I have to congratulate the consecutive governments who managed to turn Canadians against the very things they fought for decades to get.

Have to respect the game even if it is incredibly evil.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I still will never understand how Canadians can look at privatization down south and be all “I want some of that!”

We don't. Unfortunately, when Canadians go to the polls, the thing a lot of the less thoughtful are thinking is "I want [last administration that didn't magically fix all the problems] out of power. I don't care what their opponents actually intend to do with the province/country as long as they're gone." I have no solution for this.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

We don’t.

"Canadians" in this context is Canadians who support privatization. Are you a part of that group and trying to alert me to a misunderstanding regarding your ideology? Or did you miss the context?

Unfortunately, when Canadians go to the polls, the thing a lot of the less thoughtful are thinking is “I want [last administration that didn’t magically fix all the problems] out of power. I don’t care what their opponents actually intend to do with the province/country as long as they’re gone.” I have no solution for this.

Some Canadians aren't willfully ignorant useful idiots, and the solution is making more Canadians educated enough to grasp the fact that buzz words and anger don't get politicians who do good elected in to office. The solution is educating Canadians on the fact that no other party other than Liberal or Conservative has ever held Federal Power. The closest to that being changed was the NDP Opposition win under Layton, and now we could not be further away from breaking the trend.

It is the responsibility of those with the right information to provide it to everyone else. Get on it if you actually care. Start with understanding that "Canadians" vary greatly from province to province and coast to coast.

There can be no "we" while our politicians play American style politics. That is the point.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I don't think the context you assumed is quite as clear as you thought it was. I'll leave the rest of it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

I don’t think the context you assumed is quite as clear as you thought it was. I’ll leave the rest of it.

You could have just not responded to my comment. Next time, you should do that instead.

Take care.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

Exactly this! Very few people ever complain that the military is losing money. Healthcare should be the same way. It should operate at a loss.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Naaah, just privatized suicide services. Oh wait, we have those, we call them long term care.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No, that we get rid of maid specifically. Maybe review everything, but the tax paid healthcare seems to work as a whole. It just has a few issues that need to be addressed, just like any other system

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

We can't just get rid of it, as the SCC has ruled that MAID is a constitutional right.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Generally through lack of funding, especially in areas like healthcare.

[+] [email protected] -17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

There is more than enough funding for healthcare.

Mismanagement of that money is the biggest problem and always has been.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago (2 children)

There is more than enough funding for healthcare.

No there isn't. Gov'ts (both fed and prov) have consistently underfunded healthcare. Trudeau did try and help by giving billions to the provinces - tied to the provinces agreeing to spend ALL the money on healthcare - but the premiers stonewalled Trudeau and he caved. So provincial leaders get to spend those billions on whatever they want, just like the spoiled, snotty-nosed brats they've become.

[+] [email protected] -6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yes there is and I will not argue about it. You are free to look up the exact amount of money that is paid out by the Feds to the provinces in health transfers, and free to see exactly where every cent goes. You are also free to look at provincial budgets and do the same.

We have billions going to healthcare, and management of that money is the problem. Stop being willfully ignorant to that and maybe we can start trimming the ridiculous amount of bloat that the healthcare system has in middle and upper management positions.

Every time funding is increased those positions take most of it. So keep crying "More funding!" because that is what "they" like to hear. Gives "them" an excuse to create new jobs for their friends that serve no purpose and add no value to the system so "they" can claim it is too expensive to run and gut it for the sake of privatization. Which only involves removing Doctor, Nursing, and Auxiliary positions until the system collapses to ensure their friends positions are safe until the bitter end.

No there isn’t. Gov’ts (both fed and prov) have consistently underfunded healthcare. Trudeau did try and help by giving billions to the provinces - tied to the provinces agreeing to spend ALL the money on healthcare - but the premiers stonewalled Trudeau and he caved. So provincial leaders get to spend those billions on whatever they want, just like the spoiled, snotty-nosed brats they’ve become.

To address this specifically, thank you for supporting my point that it is not about funding and all about money management. You made it very clear what the problem is and I find it funny that you think you disagree with what I said in your comment.

Take care.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm curious, do you work in healthcare? Healthcare adjacent? Where did you acquire your expertise on the funding and operations of healthcare?

I worked in healthcare at one of Canada's largest hospitals - in finance. The pay is below average, even in upper management. Right sizing salaries to industry standards has forever been pushed back because there isn't money for it. There are structural funding deficits. Models haven't been revisited in 15, 20 plus years. Every year there are austerity measures taken - services cut or capital spend deferred.

Even with an external financial review of the hospital operations and finances, run in conjunction with the Ministry Of Health, it was found that it couldn't get much more efficient - that additional funding was needed to cover the gap.

But of course there is no funding forthcoming.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 months ago

I’m curious, do you work in healthcare? Healthcare adjacent? Where did you acquire your expertise on the funding and operations of healthcare?

Appeal to authority to someone else. I am making a habit of avoiding speaking to people who open their comments with logical fallacy. Feel free to try again because I stopped reading here.