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So the dems are really just gonna let Trump win (lemmygrad.ml)
submitted 6 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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We all know there's no difference between them (specially if you live outside the US), but I'm actually impressed how little the Biden campaign is doing. All they really got is "Trump bad", some bs about inflation being under control (if you exclude rent and food) and "protecting LGBT rights" (which I might have missed but Biden did literally nothing about?).

They should want to win to have their party implement the oligarchic plans and get that sweet sweet lobbying money right? Or are the elites actually preferring Trump right now?

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 6 months ago (2 children)

The Biden campaign also suddenly brought up abortion rights again. They had 4 years to do shit about it and did nothing, so another 4 years will definitely fix it, right?

[–] [email protected] 30 points 6 months ago

While he simultaneously tells the press that he doesn't believe in bodily autonomy

[–] [email protected] 27 points 6 months ago

And libs eat it right up.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 6 months ago (7 children)

I could be wrong because I'm in the US, but it's probably better for people outside the US if Trump wins.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 6 months ago

I am naive enough to think Trump's US first views may actually destabilize NATO and allow for more world peace.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 months ago

It's just impossible to know which is going to be least worst. Just as it's impossible to counterfactually know if Trump had won, where we'd be now. There's no justification to support either. Americans should not participate in the charade.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 6 months ago

The only indicator for this is the idea that he might get the US out of Nato, but this seems like a pipe dream.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The governments of many EU countries are worried about him which hopefully leads to less US influence in EU politics.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

I fear that might be too optimistic. It's a double win for libs. Trump's reactionary rhetoric and policies further the interests of the global capitalist class much more bluntly and quickly than the usual liberal channels, but then when it's done they can blame every evil act on him and use it as a rallying cry for more supporters. That's how it is in the US, and I suspect the US sets the standards for the EU more than even its critics would like to admit.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 months ago

Hard to say for sure. Trump is more incompetent but he also bolsters specific far-right movements around the world.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 months ago

It looks like Trump might pull out of the planned AUKUS pact which as an Australian is something I'm hopeful for. I would love to see the embarrassment of my government if that happens.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago

I don't know, one thing is that he is incompetent to indesisive, to do much damage in the long term, in international matters. But he tried to create armed conflicts in his government, against China, Venezuela, Iran and Syria.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The two dominant American political parties at its core are about generating revenue. Losing elections do not lower donations by a significant amount while increasing corporate taxes and denouncing genocide does lower donations - even if you win the election.

I don't think the Biden campaign can say anything actually popular with the people without angering the donor base (price control, rent control, stop genocide, nationalize healthcare, etc) so the Dems are working within the limits of acceptability set by the bourgeoisie overlords.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I do think if they really wanted to they could stop the genocide they could. They need a colonial outpost in the middle east, not an ethnonationalist genocidal state that undermines your credibility. They could have established comprodore Palistinians to promote peace and integrate them into the society for cheap labor. The CIA has levers to get the Licud party out of power if they really wanted to. This wretched settler state's excessive methods undermine its own legitimacy. The terrible things the IDF does are like showing off how well built your house is by putting a jackhammer to your house's foundation.

I suspect is is more than just capitalism.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

yes, it's capitalism + the vicious inhuman white supremacist western culture. blood for the blood god.

you're dealing with religious fanatics here. they have two gods, the line god and the blood god.

you make regular blood sacrifices to both. the line god gives you money in return for blood. the blood god gives you nothing. but you still sacrifice to both.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago

ah the sorts of people that totally ship Khorne and Slaanesh. WH40k factions are all fascist factions born of fascist ontology but it can describe various forms of real fascism.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago

The still beating hearts of the prolariat are sacrificed to empower the Line God to rise each day.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 6 months ago

The end result is basically the same as you said, but for their future strategy it probably makes more sense to have Trump win. It gives them a super easy "Look, everything is bad because Trump was in office, therefore you must vote for us" campaign next time. Lets them run literally any candidate under the sun and probably have even odds at winning. Which means they can safely shift further to the right than they usually do.

Arguably it still doesn't matter, because any candidate that isn't pre-annointed would stand no chance of winning anyway, but it definitely makes for a super easy campaign message. Their response to any challenge can just be "Trump spooky. WOOOOOOO".

[–] [email protected] 27 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

the elites need a scapegoat and Trump is perfect imo. the way i see it, the US wants to escalate the current wars and need a republican scapegoat to bear the blame after, theyve been really struggling to make Biden look not-fascist so they need someone that doesnt care being labeled a fascist.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 6 months ago

They're not here to win, they're here to send emails begging for money.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I feel like the only realistic chance of them winning is if someone else than Biden runs. They could pull some "we listened to your concerns and have decided to respond" bs, but I don't think that's possible anymore.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago

They could pull some “we listened to your concerns and have decided to respond” bs

They seem unwilling to do that. Quite the opposite. The powers that be seem very intent on establishing an idea that "listening to the people" is bad, populism and evil.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 months ago

I'm not sure what the plan is honestly, banning TikTok because the Israeli lobby told them too is going to lose a huge chunk of the voters on both sides. But since Biden is president (which I'm starting to think he's forgotten himself) the blowback is going to hurt the Dems much more.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I really am not convinced banning tiktok will matter. It will go down months before the election and I expect most people will have forgotten by then and more than that moved onto American regime controlled social media which will bombard them with the messaging that they must vote for Biden or they're voting for Trump and everything bad ever you can imagine forever and are hecking bigots and so on.

Now if tiktok appeals and gets a stay and the ban goes down a month before the election, maybe. Also good chance tiktok buckles and sells to a US company minus their algorithms (so it'll go to shit and devalue but it'll also be killed off which is the goal here).

I'm just not convinced there's this big group of young people voters who will either spite vote for Trump as a result of tiktok or who were going to be counted on to carry Biden to victory but won't show up (he's relying on older people, middle aged, Millennials, etc) for it to matter.

I'm also not convinced that the Gaza genocide will matter that much nationally. I think by then they'll have completed it and stopped, put a lid on it, spun out all the happy feel good propaganda about how Biden stopped it, how they're getting aid, how Trump is real danger and will hurt the Palestinians and yada-yada and I think that will work with most liberals who will be brow-beaten and shamed and fear-mongered into voting for Biden. They'll also be blasting the sexual violence angle all over the place and if tiktok is gone and other alternative media clamped down on they'll have the dominant messaging and people will tend to forget and get lost in whatever the newest manufactured meta just before the election is.

Trump still has a pretty good chance of winning though all bets are off. We live in increasingly interesting times.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

I think this is a solid line of thinking. A terrifying one, but solid.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

not my problem, and I'm already ready for the rawecar

launch em Xi

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

I suspect the elites prefer Trump but keep up appearances. He's a tool, like Mussolini or Hitler: a lacky of capitalists to bludgeon socialist movements and organize the rabid far-right into a tool to use for imperialism. But liberal values are still the dominant trend here, so they must keep up appearances. But, in that too, they like Trump. He's a perfect scapegoat. They can give him some slack to crush their enemies, then use him as something to condemn in order to shift all responsibility from themselves. In that way, even the tragedies he causes become profitable.

A better question is what are we (American comrades) doing in preparation for the inevitable crackdown we'll receive?