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Would anyone be interested in a telegram channel for lemmy ? Do read ALL the edits as i have added much more context than i had put in the orginal post. (lemmy.today)
submitted 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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I can set it up . This idea popped into my head after i joined some good foss telegram channels and i personnely think matrix is not there yet also telegram does supports third party apps there are some privacy concerns but i don't think it matters to our use case and it is all speculation but matrix instance hoster could be violating this too as most groups are not encrypted . I also do think telegram is just a better experience and more polished to use but i would advise you to download a third party app from fdroid instead of using the official client . So anyways lemmy know.

PS : I am in no way a telegram shill just thinks it is a good platform for this use case as mercurygram, fossify,telegram foss etc. hosts theirs there and it is really a good overall experience . Again not a SHILL.

EDIT : This was just an idea i had and if you disagree please comment so and i will not move forward ciao.

EDIT : This was a for the community idea but if most of the community doesn't want it i will ofcourse not go forward but do write your thoughts in the comments as i don't know what you think by seeing the upvotes or downvotes (as some people do it accidentally by swiping or because they did'nt like something specific in the post which can be changed of you comment) and if there is anything i can do to make the experience better .

EDIT : Its all about options i am not proposing to move the community from matrix but just starting another one.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I prefer matrix, thanks.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

Yeah of course its all about options

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago

Can we try to not fragment an already-small community?

Matrix works and is secure for 99.998% of the people. Is it really worth it to break into factions just because some people are worried about... checks notes ... IP addresses?

[–] DaseinPickle 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If we don’t care about security and privacy, why not just use Discord? It’s basically the same thing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I'd say matrix which is not selfhosted and telegram comes under the same security level with matrix even going below telegram but if you are self hosting then yes it is secure

[–] DaseinPickle 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I don’t think so. Telegram channels are not end to end encrypted. Telegram doesn’t support this very basic feature. Matrix rooms can support end to end encryption.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

But there are risc factors of admins niking everything they can get their hands on

[–] DaseinPickle 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

They cant do that if it’s end to end. That’s the point. Your messages is encrypted before they reach the server. On the other hand Telegram has access to all your group messages and their admins and business partners can read everything. The reason end to end encryption is important is that you don’t have to trust the server. But with Telegram it’s “totally secure, trust us, bro”.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Nah i was talking about logs and ip (if not using vpn ) etc. and most matrix groups seems to be not e2e

[–] DaseinPickle 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You are right, Matrix saving a lot of metadata. A better choice would probably be Simplex Chat. It seems to be build with privacy in mind. https://simplex.chat/

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yeah and briar but sadly the use case for these apps aren't the same with apps like discord, telegram and matrix . Simplex and briar is not for hosting group or chatting with friends they are for when you can accept incoveniance but need a state of the art secure messaging software.

[–] DaseinPickle 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

There are already some big groups on Simplex. I haven’t used it much, so I don’t know how well it works. But it seems easy enough to use.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

Huh have to check it out sometime

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I don't use telegram but what are the advantages of using telegram vs chatting in a community on lemmy?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

Lemmy is a forum so it can't give you the chatroom experience amd it is just better when discusiing things fast.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

If you want to create a self-hosted chat community, XMPP would probably be the best bet, as it supports solid encryption. My instance owner has one set up for the community, and it's worked pretty great to coordinate with other mods.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I don't understand what you're asking.

You want to setup Lemmy on Telegram? But instead of forum messages that I can read and respond to when I have time, you want it to be instant chat type messages?

I'm confused. If they're are already channels on Telegram for things that Lemmy covers (you mention FOSS channels), then what are you proposing to cover? Why can't we just use Telegram for those things we want to chat about? What are you doing differently?

Lemmy / Reddit / forums are a a different experience to instant chat. If I want instant chat I can find it. Again, confused by what you are proposing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

No lemmy support not lemmy i was thinking about setting up a support channel

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

That makes a little more sense. Support would lend itself to chat speeds better I think. If you need help with an issue its usually urgent.

It's not something I would use but I can see the benefit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

Yeah exactly

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Will it allow singing telegrams and kissograms?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

What ? Are those clients if so yes all clients can interact with each other