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Always in some form of denial... (lemmy.world)
submitted 7 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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The news on CNN and reported the same way on every other self-respecting news agency:

US President Joe Biden said Israel's military operation to go after Hamas had been "over the top," as he highlighted the plight of Palestinians who have endured heavy bombardment and a lack of essential supplies.

https://edition.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-02-09-24/index.html

Times of Israel:

Biden calls Gaza response ‘over the top’; unclear if remarks aimed at Israel or Hamas

US president was apparently responding to question about hostage negotiations; also said ‘a lot of innocent people are dying, and it’s gotta stop’; White House does not clarify

https://www.timesofisrael.com/biden-calls-gaza-response-over-the-top-unclear-if-remarks-aimed-at-israel-or-hamas/

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 7 months ago (4 children)

And media bias fact check be like:

[–] [email protected] 38 points 7 months ago (5 children)

I think a lot of these need to be updated after israel’s genocide. Times of Israel might have been credible and unbiased in their other reporting which I presume this data is based on., but now a clear nationalism/zionism is showing.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It's a similar issue with Al Jazeera, they're otherwise a renown publication known for their rigorous reporting standards, until the subject is about Qatar, and especially the Qatari royal family

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Authoritarian governments have this strategy of cultivating honest news outlets with good journalism in "peacetime", so they can peddle bullshit from the high horse when they need it. Same thing happens in Hungary. These guys definitely do exchange ideas.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

See also: New York Times

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

~~Dawg tbh New York times never should have been trusted considering it is owned by Jeff bezos~~

I am mistaken

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I thought he owned the Washington Post, he bought the ny times too?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

My bad

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

Times of Israel might have been credible and unbiased in their other reporting

Nope, they've always been extremely anti-Palestinian. People just didn't notice because that was the default stance of almost all people with power and influence.

now a clear nationalism/zionism is showing.

Always has been 👨‍🚀🔫👨‍🚀

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

need to be updated after israel’s genocide.

Are you implying that these haven't been updated since 1948?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

There is no such thing as unbiased media

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago

Tbf, MBFC itself is mostly the hobby of one right wing dude with a huge pro-Israel government bias.

Sure, some of the ratings are done by volunteers or paid freelancers (with no real transparency about who did what, of course), but it's mostly just some guy named Dave pretending to be an authority on bias and credibility.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

MBFC is worth checking as a tool but nowhere remotely comprehensive. In their pursuit of neutrality, they often play Both Sides game and often only give a very shallow or dated investigation into outlets.

Newsguard was a decent one but they monetized it which made it useless.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

Never heard of newsguard before, will check them out!

I'm looking for a reasonable source which could be made into a bot that crawls lemmy and adds the fact check and bias details to posts. That is what made me start reading into MBFC and I'm amazed at how crap they are... no experts on board, nothing really being used for "science", mostly just based on the opinion of the founder... My partner tried to submit this ToI article for review on that site and basically there really isn't a special form to fill for that and he had to email them instead. Let's see if we hear back...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

Ah yes, that famous leftist regime, Israel

[–] [email protected] 41 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Been saying this for a while now but there are more parallels between Israel and Russia than many care to admit.

  • Right-wing nationalist leaders in power for decades
  • The use of denial and gaslighting and justification for civilian collateral damage
  • News outlet propaganda.
  • Creeping territorial annexation
  • Exploitation of a boogienan to rally support and justify said annexation.
[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago

This is just the authoritarianism starter pack

[–] [email protected] 20 points 7 months ago

I used to think Times of Israel did a decent job of reporting, but every time I see it posted now, I just know it's going to be some absolutely batshit nationalist propaganda

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

Blah blah.

He's still sending them weapons, begging Congress to send more, and supporting them with intelligence and logistics.

This statement was probably cleared with Netanyahu's administration before he said it.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 7 months ago

That's gonna be a HIGH CREDIBILITY mbfc score from me dawg