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[–] [email protected] 217 points 4 days ago (15 children)

Aaand … it’s ads. What a surprise.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Article says (but don't believe them):

But it’s not all ads. In fact, Microsoft does make useful changes from time to time

[–] [email protected] 39 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Oh boy! Not all ads! Oh yippee! I have been blessed on this fine day! 🥰

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Got to get that ad revenue.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Why do these articles never have a screenshot of the change. So annoying.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 days ago

Because if they embed an image to the article, it would distract you from all the ads that are between paragraphs.

[–] [email protected] 77 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (36 children)

There's always some post in here saying for people to use Linux. I find an admonishment to be pretty hollow, so I'll share my recent experience installing a Linux distribution rather than simply saying it's something people should do.

I installed one of the many Debian variants. Getting the installation media is certainly going to be a challenge for casual users. Otherwise, it was easy. It walked through the steps. It was different from installing windows, but I felt it was no more difficult. I am well versed in this stuff, but I feel like nothing in the installation process would be a problem for a casual computer user.

It offered several desktops programs at the login screen. This could likely throw off a lot of people. However, if you just logged in and ignored that you might never even know there were different options. The default was KDE. Everything worked. Nothing needed to be tweaked. This is in starck contrast to Windows, where once you get past installation, you need to get rid of a ton of crap it throws at you. The Windows 10 start menu is an unbelievable collection of weird boxes and shit and the task bar is similarly full of junk. The KDE start menu is just a menu. The task bar has your tasks. There's nothing to do.

I did try Cinnamon too. I prefer the simplicity. I don't think casual users are going to care.

Overall, I think for casual users, it's actually easier to set up and use than Windows. Getting installation media prepared is not something most people are going to readily do, but I think it's the same with Windows. They have the advantage there of having manufacturors install it. Otherwise, whatever issues there have been installing Linux distributions in the past aren't there now. Conversely, installing and especially the configuration after installation is much harder on Windows than it used to be. If you're slightly tech savvy, give Linux a try.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 days ago

Chiming in to add that the KDE application menu icon (aka the Start Button) is easily changed to whatever picture you want. Mine is currently the TARDIS control console from Doctor Who which is quite fun.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

You're right to point out the difficulty of preparing installation media.

Also, for the average person, friction will probably happen during installation - possibly having to circumvent safe boot to install and run a new OS (knowing how to enter the bios, feeling comfortable playing around in the bios, knowing how to even disable safe boot once you're there, not exposing your device to security vulnerabilities by having safe boot disabled), the need for an existing understanding of how partitions work and how the partitions are structured on your specific device in order to test the waters with a dual boot setup on a drive that has data/functionality you want to preserve. Needing to know the 'what' and 'why' of swap, /home, and /root partitions. These points all came up on a recent installation, and I'm sure they would scare some people off.

Installation will be easy if you have the time, motivation, existing knowledge and/or bandwidth for a learning curve. But not everybody has that.

And that's just installation, to say nothing of the actual use of the desktop environment, which is not as intuitive as its often claimed to be.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 4 days ago (7 children)

Yeah, I really should switch to Mint or something

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

I switched to Kubuntu (KDE Plasma with Wayland turned on) and it's absolutely wonderful.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Mint with Cinnamon is great if you like the start menu style of Windows 7/10. Generally speaking Linux distros are mostly the same under the hood.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm attempting to normalize calling it CinnaMint. I get a few up votes Everytime I mention it, but I haven't seen anyone else use it yet.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

It does sound pretty marketable. Hope it gains traction.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

now im thirsty for some good tea

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago

Switch to Linux, get it over with, get rid of the Microsoft bullshit

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Disabled Windows Update and have never been happier.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

At that point please just use another OS. You should be keeping your OS up to date.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Number of times I've been hacked: 0

Number of hours I've wasted reinstalling everything because Microsoft bricked my Windows install with a faulty update: 6.022140857×10^23^

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Again, why use Windows at that point?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

I don't have the level of schizophrenia required for the GIMP ui to make sense.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

Yeah, we live in wild times. Remember when the largest computer outage was caused by that software attack?

Oh wait that was the program meant to protect from attacks.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

Upvote for Avagadros number

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Screenshots here: https://www.windowslatest.com/2024/09/12/windows-10s-start-menu-design-is-changing-to-make-room-for-microsoft-365/

TL:DR: There is barely any difference at all. They added some account manager, but in general the start menu looks how it looked before.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago

Apparently it nags you if you don't have a 365 account. So it's just more enshittification.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 days ago

Yeah, fuck MS and everyone should try to run away as fast as possible, but this isn't the big thing people should be worried about. I literally didn't notice what was different in those screenshots until I read more. Maybe this is done to add things in the future that'll be bad, but it itself isn't. I'd be much more concerned about Recall.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

The new shortcut for screenshots:

Alt - Ctrl - drill to the eye 👁️. Yeah you can use the same eye socket multiple times for now. It's a known 🐛 bug, but they are going to fix it.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 4 days ago (34 children)

I'm running Windows 10 LTSC with a custom start menu (StartIsBack). So far I have avoided all of Microsoft’s nonsense.

As long as I’m not ready to switch to Linux 100%, this is probably the best possible solution.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

There's a way to revert it in w11?

At work i need to constantly switch users and even if it's a domain account, the placeholder for the m365 ads is still there. I need a extra click every time i need to logout

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Microsoft 365 is fucking garbage. I tried using it one time on my work computer and couldn't even export an Excel sheet into any other format besides a PDF and an Excel file. The only two things I never need to export an Excel sheet as. I couldn't even export it as a god damn text file. And the fact that I need an Internet connection makes it so much more finicky. I guess on the plus side when the Internet is down I don't have to do my job until it comes back.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Were you on a free plan? Because csv export normally works fine.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

Will it also be coming to windows 10 enterprise version and if so how to revert back?

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