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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/19644425

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

I can't say I really understand or respect these small parties trying to run presidential campaigns. All it does is take money and time away from what should be spent on local elections. If you want to affect real change you got to build yourself from the ground up. City councils, Mayors, school boards, state congressman, etc... these are where we can make positive changes and build for future success. Show people that it can be better by being better.

I'm sure there's some logic to it, however I just think it's generally ineffective. As we have clearly seen.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 week ago

If you care about eliminating the two party system, voting for a spoiler candidate and handing the presidency to Trump will absolutely do it. You'll end up with a one-party system (dictatorship).

The two party system sucks, but anyone trying to convince you that it is on the ballot in November is lying to you.

Kamala is the only chance we have at avoiding full-blown Fascism in America. Anyone telling you to vote against her doesn't see fascism as a dealbreaker.

Especially you, UniversalMonk, since you constantly post about third party candidates to a degree that everyone knows your agenda, and you openly admit that you would welcome a Trump presidency should he win.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Op Astro turfing right wing hack larping as a socialist

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Op right wing hack larping as a socialist

Um, if you mean me, I've made over 400 posts and comments promoting socialist causes to socialist communties. Feel free to see my post history. In fact, feel free to see how many articles I have posted to the socialist comm at world: https://lemmy.world/c/socialist

If you meant her, well I think she's genuine and not right-wing at all.

So try again. Obviously you are scared that more and more people know how much you worship the current corrupt capitalist duopoly, and you don’t want the current system to change. So you go ahead and keep trying to confuse people.

But we know what you’re up to, friend. :)

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

This capitalist duopoly is what keeps the food moving from where it is produced to where i can buy it. This world is fucked and unfair but i dont see how voting for a fringe candidate in 1 election is going to fix anything. Nor do i see how you posting crap online is furthering the revolution.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Nor do i see how you posting crap online is furthering the revolution.

What "crap" am I posting online? This is from her x.com account. I didn't write it. I'm not part of her campaign. I simply posted it to this socialism community.

You do realize that this is a socialism community right? Posting an article about a socialist candidate to a socialist community isn't "crap."

Maybe you are in the wrong community?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Maybe your idea of socialism isn't my idea of socialism

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That could be. But strange you could call me posting a tweet from the socialist pres candidate to a socialist community "crap."

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Bigger picture. Left is divided. Right is united. Simple concept really. But i guess ideology is more important than not letting the russian mob into the whitehouse again.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So what is it you want, the left to unite, inherit reformist ideas then play catch for the next 50 years while the right erode society again?

Socialist disagree for good reason its conducive to a healthy society.

I for one want to see this blind support for democrats to end, I want to see the US fight for a third party instead most of you are defeatists. Dogmatically in support of a right wing party. Let's not get liberal and socialist confused. My party on the UK cautiously support corbyns labour. We showd no support to labour under starmer.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Beats the alternative of the left fractioning off into isular sects letting right wing parties dominate the polls.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

soomer a reformist than a socialist? enough said.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Sorry i didn't pass your purity test.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

the test isn't complete till the revolution. you've not failed yet. /s

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

The revolution will not be televised. Nor will it be on the internet.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This capitalist duopoly is what keeps the food moving from where it is produced to where i can buy it.

I think it's corrupt. But you are definitely free to vote for your values, as am I.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

No shit it's corrupt.