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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Many trams don't actually drive that fast. Some googling suggests this is Helsinki. Their trams run at 14km/h. That's easily slow enough to react to a kid running onto the track.

Also this seems to have roads on either side, so I don't think there would be many children playing in that area.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

From the perspective of the tram driver there are a lot of trees along the tram way. Those trees could make a blind spot for the driver if a kid was playing along the tracks.

My point is that why replace one danger cars and then write off the other dangers as irrelevant. With some effort I think we can get both dealt with. However, if this is Helsinki how has this actually performed? That can help guide risk assessment too.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I couldn't locate this particular spot but it's suggested to be in the city center. It might be this one: https://www.google.com/maps/@60.1690393,24.9398838,1100m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu

Kids aren't gonna randomly start playing there. If you look around on the linked map, there are parks all over the place. It is much more likely for kids to play there, where it's nice, than on some major road.

Google isn't spitting out any results no matter how I search for it but I'm under the impression that kids in Finland go to school on their own basically starting with kindergarten. At least there are plenty of countries where they do, so kids are obviously capable of navigating public space safely and independently. I know I did. I crossed 3 main roads on the way to kindergarten.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

or you could just teach your children not to play on the tram tracks. the world is full of pointy edges. must we bubble wrap them all?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

If we cannot teach adults to drive the proper speed successfully, to not be impaired, to not play with their mobiles, and to pay attention what hope do we have for kids?