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Blaming progressives for not aligning with centrists instead of blaming centrists for siding with Nazis to lock out progressives is a weird take.
That's historical revisionism. They would have easily created a coalition government to oppose Hitler, but without the support of the communist party, the conservative block ultimately held onto control, and Hitler was appointed chancellor by Hindenburg.
You're disingenuously conflating the conservatives that ceded power to the Nazi party (that had only taken about 30% of the vote) with the center left that reached out to the communists in an attempt to stop them. A decision by the head of the communist party that directly led to the murder of millions of people, including himself.
We are talking about a parliamentary system. The communists could have formed a coalition government that had a majority, but they refused. Without their support, no party won a majority or were able to form a majority coalition government, and the Nazis were able to take control from the conservatives in power (or more accurately, they gave it to them freely).
I'm not a historian, so someone correct me if I'm wrong.
No, at no point did the Centre try to form a coalition with the KPD, but were turned down. In the Weimar system, it is the Chancellor that is in charge of forming coalitions, so even if the KPD, SPD, and Centre had enough seats to form a majority (which they didn't), they couldn't just form a coalition. This is why Franz Von Papen was appointed by Hindenburg, since he was expected to be able to convince the Centre party and Nazis to form a coalition with the conservatives and monarchists. And why when that failed and there was a failure to form a ruling coalition that Hindenburg appointed Hitler as chancellor to create a Nazi lead coalition.
Huh. Thanks for the correction. Sounds like Hindenburg sold Germany out big time.
That comment was not referring to literal nazis. They were talking about the American right wing.
Ok. Then I was explaining why it's not a "weird take." Because, you know... History.
It may not have been a weird take in the early 20th century. It's a weird take now.
It's literally an equivalent scenario.
Ah, of course. America's communist party should be trying to form a coalition government in Parliament this year. Literally equivalent.
Essentially, yes. Bernie Sanders caucuses with the DNC.
He does this because - it may surprise you to hear, but it's true - America does not have a parliamentary system of government. Here, everybody left-of-nazi is forced to pretend like they are all members of the same party. If America's system de facto allowed for more than two parties, then the progressive party could actually choose whether or not to form a coalition with the centrists, conditional on policy concessions. Since we do not, the centrists offer is "we get what we want or else you get nazis." Then make the progressives out to be the bad guys if they call the bluff, which isn't a bluff, because the centrists today genuinely would prefer 4 years of nazis over conceding anything to progressives.
So, exactly like the top level comment described. Weird take.
I'm just gonna not go down this particular propaganda bullshit rabbit hole again.
You're absolutely right: dismissing anything you don't want to hear as "propaganda bullshit" is a much easier way of having a discussion than participating.
Never mind, this just isn't worth my time.
OK, stranger.
Bernie isn't a socialist, social Democrat, it Democratic socialist, nor is any member of the squad.