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I thought a massive international effort defeated the nazis, including strategic bombing, embargos and lend-lease. Weird.
The USSR killed 80-ish percent of the nazi troops, and suffered 26 million casualties, mostly civilians exterminated by the nazis. They were mainly responsible for the victory and suffered the heaviest losses, including a lot of the lower level communist organization whose absence lead to the bureaucratic centralization (that Stalin opposed heavily before his death) that let corruption gradually take over the project.
Yeah, when you organize your army based on politics and not on, you know, military capability, you end up sucking at war and need to make it up in numbers. You ignore intelligence of imminent invasion you let hundreds of thousands of troops get encircled and begging the Yankees for resources.
Consider not learning your ww2 history from pop culture
So, no argument at all? Just a downvote and an ad-hominem? I'm disappointed...
Why would I need to seriously argue against what is essentially tropes, including the asiatic hordes trope? Your argument speaks for itself.
Compare the size of the soviet army at the start of the war to the size of the French and German armies. Now compare the Soviet delaying actions to the invasion of France.
No idea what tropes you talking about, those are history book facts. Embarrassing, but facts.
Remind me how many French and British troops were bypassed and encircled during the invasion of France?
Remember that the combined forces in France were much larger and more mechanized than the soviet army during barbarossa, and were invaded by less troops
The truth or some warped version of "Stalin was not that bad" reality you expect?
Literally just look up the numbers on Wikipedia(or whatever other center-right source you consider credible) and stop embarrassing yourself.
Wikipedia literally quotes Soviet archives. If that is center right, I'm curious to know what is left.
Okay, then go find other sources for these numbers:
Number of axis troops invading France
Number of French and British commonwealth troops during the initial defense of France
Number of axis troops invading the Soviet Union
Number of Soviet troops during the initial defense of the Soviet Union
I suspect that anything right of the Soviet archives won't be good enough for you. And even those are embarrassing.
The point of this exercise is for you to find the numbers and experience a moment of self reflection. What I think of the credibility of the numbers doesn't matter.
You won't though. One has to wonder why?
I already did, first back in school and latest yesterday to check what sources the wiki used. Somehow the numbers haven't changed in all those years.
And you think the numerically inferior soviet troops -who did better than the larger more mechanized and better equipped French and British troops- while also fighting a larger better equipped force demonstrates....
"better" lol
Have you actually studied ww2? France fell in weeks. So yeah the Soviets did better.
The soviets lost more than half of the total population of France, so hard to call it better.
Yes, it is their fault the nazis viewed them as subhuman and exterminated them in a way they didn't do with the conquered French. /s
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrier_troops