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I will no longer be able to assist with development nor debugging actual issues with the software... Quite juvenile behavior from the devs. It stemmed from this issue where the devs continuously argued in public by opening and closing an issue. Anyway, thought I would keep y'all apprised of the situation, since these are the people maintaining the software you are currently using.
Looks like snowe missed the fact that each of those close/reopens were months apart, so it's clear the issue would ge re-opened, still not addressed after many many months, then closed to clean up the backlog, then re-opened because it actually still has value.
Snowe it seems interpreted this as two people fighting and not just normal stuff that happens on giant repos with many devs.
What he did wrong was comment about behaviors/edicit on a PR, which is not the appropriate place to have that convo.
PR comments are for talking about the PR, not for having meta convos about comments on PRs.
I don't even participate in this repo, but I can say that snowe was off topic here.
However the owner's reaction of a whopping seven day ban and "learn your lesson" comment was also abrasive and unreasonable.
Both sides fucked up here, get ya'lls shit together and apologize to each other yo.
Well yeah the second comment didn't really had to be, but hey it's certainly not really reason enough to ban someone from the repo. The first comment I think is totally ok (as well as marking it off-topic, but optimally with an answer, probably marked as off-topic as well). Just keep an issue (it's not a PR) open, until the issue is resolved in one way or the other i.e. either solved reasonably via a third-party client (with links to it) or directly in the repo, asking the community (when it's not obvious that the issue is resolved), whether this is resolved, wait for reactions, and close it after some time based on that. Banning someone, or quickly closing or not reopening after a carefully written argument, that the issue is not solved etc. is just childish behaviour, especially for a community focused project (I'm watching a few lemmy issues on GH).
or quickly closing or not reopening after a carefully written argument
Thats where I think the misunderstanding was, if you look at the dates, many of the closings happened months after the issue was opened and no one posted anything on it, so it would clearly look to be a stale issue, so its reasonable to give a quick "Im closing this because of x" comment.
Often in those cases the person is doing a bunch of cleanup and has to close dozens of stale issues, so writing a multi paragraph response on every single one is a lot of time to put into it.
Then later the issue is re-opened again because it actually isnt stale, it just looks stale, and the cycle repeats as it continues to sit on the backburner.
This is all very normal on any larger project, its pretty common to see issues get closed and re-opened if they are very low priority and sit on the backburner for literally years, and its common to see they have a bunch of short "Im closing this because x" responses as a result.
But, if you look at the dates, you go "Oh, I see, these comments are months apart and not even really a "convo" but more just documentation.
I think that you should update your post with information that this ban is only for 7 days.
This:
I will no longer be able to assist with development
suggests that ban is infinite, which is not true.
Yeah but if you were in this position would really want to contribute again? It's virtually an indefinite ban when the reason is this absurd.
Unwilling =/= Unable, this is transparent sophistry
Yes, If I would contribute to lemmy, I wouldn't do it for the devs, but for the software and its users.
EDIT: But don't think that I support nutomic's reaction to OP's comments.
Where do you see that information? I didn’t even know it was possible to do this until last night so not sure how I’m supposed to know how long it lasts.
Sorry, I assumed that github shows it to you somehow. I know about it from nutomic's comment
thank you, yes I their comment later on. No, github didn't even tell me I was banned. I happened to notice because I left the tab open and was moving through them trying to find something else.
Lemmy needs a fork, if only to kick the devs into gear with regards to actually working with/listening to the community. At this point a significant number of users have been lost because the devs have been largely unable to capitalize on previous waves on growth due to slow development. It's one thing if it's just a couple of devs working on the project and trying their best, it's an entirely different thing when a couple of devs are shutting out large numbers of contributors (frequently subject matter experts which they desperately need at this point) over relatively trivial issues. This isn't the first time this has happened and it won't be the last. Mbin is reviving Kbin as a project and we need something similar for Lemmy.
Someone just linked me this, seems to be a bit of a misunderstanding. Pm me either through here or on matrix and we can try to get it resolved.
"misunderstanding"
"It will teach you a lesson"
Wow. Way to treat volunteers.
From Nutomic in this very post:
You kept posting offtopic comments which added nothing to resolving the issue. So I gave you a seven day ban, hopefully it will teach you a lesson.
Where’s the misunderstanding? Seems like this was intended based on their reaction.
Dude, who in their right mind would add scheduling infra to a client like that? 😆 I'm going to need these Lemmy devs to have a tad bit more experience before they start being so dismissive, especially to someone who's just trying to help.
Hi there more experienced person, would you mind explaining the intricacies of the madness for a lowly n00b?
Is it just 'cause it'd need the client to be constantly running to output the scheduling? So like, you set it to schedule a post and then you have to actually open it as an app before it would actually work if it wasn't running in the background when the time ticked over? Is there more to it? Any and all details you'd be willing to explain would be appreciated.
Regardless, I hope you have a lovely day and best of luck with everything you're doing!
Everyone is human, everyone makes mistakes. Sometimes people are also in a very bad mood and act weirdly because of that. Let's not make a big drama out of it.
Informative, and unfortunate.
100% agree with your take on the original issue - it should be a discussion between the devs, not edging along the lines of an argument. However, I do feel like the discussion would have been better suited to the dev Matrix chat or something
Even if they were upsetted by your comments, banning you was not the right way to handle that IMO.
Just do it like other projects - tag it as enhancement, postpone it forever, be done with it. And in case it's a useful enhancement, you can see the votes accumulating on the issue and maybe really reconsider implementing it?
Idk I think y'all are a bit too dramatic lol. Imho you're reading too much into a small aggression. This has nothing to do with the future of Lemmy or anything as grandiose as that
This has nothing to do with the future of Lemmy or anything as grandiose as that
I didn't say it did. I mentioned that it would affect me, the person who runs the server you're commenting on. That's it.
Quite juvenile behavior from the devs.
The constant closing and reopening the issue was a bit weird but I didn't really see any hostility or toxic behavior, except from you getting pissy about it out of nowhere.
Hmm, where have I seen that before? Oh yeah, on PCSX2.
Your time and talent is better spent elsewhere. Don't even think about this any longer.
You wanted to help and they acted in this way. You made yourself clear, so it’s on them to reevaluate.
Your time isn’t free, so don’t spend it on stupid people. I know you’re passionate and want to help, but sometimes it unfortunately comes down to this.
Fork! Fork! Fork!
This is ridiculously petty from the devs, and does make me seriously wonder about Lemmy's future.