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[–] [email protected] 49 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Kings and Generals

that fucking logo

The cryptofascism may be coming from inside the house. yea

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

About as fascist as any other capitalist nation. Which is to say if there was any threat to the Russian bourgeois by their working class it would be. Probably the only reason the US isn't full fascist yet is because leftism is so dead in this country that the capitalist class doesn't need to worry about such things.

[–] [email protected] 90 points 11 months ago (15 children)

The USA is fascist. Do not kid yourself. Remember that the Third Reich emulated the USA and the USA absorbed the Third Reich. The USA is the torchbearer for fascism. The idea that it's not is almost entirely from a white perspective. The USA has continuously had racial ghettos, massive prison labor, criminalization of poverty and racial deviance, mass murder, fanatical Christianity, secret police, domestic surveillance, control of media, lack of democratic accountability, concentration camps, callous murder of racialized groups, constant war footing against engineered enemies, domestic and global terror projects, political prisoners, and protection of the minority bourgeoisie.

The only things the USA doesn't have right at this moment that the Third Reich had are the following: industrial mass murder, industrial mass displacement, violent purges.

It is unlikely to develop these things because they understand that the reaction to these things will be counter to their continuous hold on power.

The USA has, in essence, been fascist since beforeb it's founding, because the European colonists essentially had all the components of European fascism during the colonial era. Mass murder was made easier by stuffing hundreds of black rebels into ships and gassing them. Haiti worked their slaves to death so fast they needed to import 50k a year to keep up. The USA's relationship to the native peoples is nearly identical to what fascism showed us. We still have race science built into our culture through our media narratives and our particular use of statistics in social sciences.

Don't wait around for the USA to become fascist.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

All great points. And remember the US all but put gay people in camps in the 80’s as AIDS ravaged them and Regan (may Satan torture his soul forever) just sat there and smiled as it happened.

Still, how should we describe a potential turn into those few things Nazi Germany had that the US has lacked? Like, I say I fear a fascist takeover of the US but really, that’s what I mean by saying that.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 11 months ago (2 children)

You gotta get specific about what could happen:

Why would the US create death camps? Because of risk of revolt. So that means if the lumpen start getting organized, the risk of death camps becomes real.

Invasion of neighbors is unlikely because strategically it creates way larger borders and the conditions for international intervention.

Invasion of further countries is possible, for a number of reasons, but that will just create proxy wars, which... we're already there.

So what other than industrializing death are you concerned about? If that's the only thing, then you should see that we're already fascist, we're already taken over, we're already in that place, we just don't have the rebellion that requires that tactic to be implemented.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Even without death camps we have a wide variety of concentration camps here in the US, many which have or had conditions bad enough to cause death at a higher rate. Whether it's the indigenous genocide and reservation system, the prison system which is the biggest forced labor camp system in the world, mostly for Black and poor people, the immigrant detention centers that separated children of legal asylum seekers from their parents, or the Japanese internment camps in WWII, the US really is a world leader in fascism.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

The republicans very much are beating the war drum against mexico rn, remains to be seen if the MIC wants that or war against China imo.

I just answered my own question trying to type this comment out to explain what I’m afraid of for the US lol. I’m afraid of fanatics, whether it be like the neo-Nazis with white supremacy or Evangelicals with Christianity (I’m aware there’s a ton of overlap, and it’s likely it would just be both in America), they would open death camps not for “fear of revolt” (That’s what violent purges are for, which the US already does to communists already tbh) but because they are fanatics for their ideology.

Edit: I should add, I fear them ~~taking~~ receiving the reins of power as our living conditions decline here as dedollarization accelerates in the future.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I think my point is that they have the power. Do you think well-adjusted, compassionate, peaceful people are occupying Hawaii, Guam, the Caribbean, the Pacific, and South Korea. Do you think Victorian Nuland was handing out cookies during Euromaidan because she believed it was all for peace? Do you think it's healthy libs overseeing the largest prison population per capitalist with $11Bn in slave labor profits?

The violence domestically is already here. The mass shootings are insane and the politicians are all in support of them. White people get called "mentally unstable" and everyone else is a terrorist participating in a conspiracy against the perfectly normal USA.

All the people you're worried about are already in the power structure. The crazies will only be elevated when the domestic threat requires it. But it's all prepared. The Florida militia is a great example. We're there, comrade. We're already there. We can trigger the death camps just by organizing the lumpen left effectively. As soon as we do that, we'll see the reaction from the power structure. It's already what you fear it is.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Yes takeover was a poor choice of words, I should say I fear the handover. Didnt mean to come across as trying to do the “this is the most important election of our life” type thing like we could prevent them from holding power with that.

Could you expand on what you mean by the lumpen left? Or just like an article about it? I know that was a thing the BPs pushed for (like organizing gang members right?) but I’ve hardly read anything about them aside from quick rundowns and a few of their speeches.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They already do industrial murder and displacement too, they just perfected it so it's less overt and they can't easily be criticized for it. Poverty killing us all, then of course mental health/suicide, plastic food, brain rot water, the slow death of intense stress put on workers trying to chase the Dream, multiple avenues of drug abuse, catastrophic destruction of community in a foundational sense, ecocide, obliteration of the mind the create a perfect obedient slave class...

[–] [email protected] 35 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Americans are not just fascist, they perfected it.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago

they perfected it.

Arguably well before Hitler did, I might add.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Yeah but if I call the US fascist in my political science classes I’ll be laughed at… and get a bad grade.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 11 months ago

Yes, because the US is fascist and indoctrinates its children almost immediately upon their birth but most thoroughly through their schooling.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

have you considered your political science curriculum is determined by western ideology and incredible biased and chauvinistic?

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Most of those are quite business as usual for capitalism though. Calling it fascist while good for drawing a parallel isn't entirely true. Its peak capitalist settler colonialism which is pretty close but not entirely fascist. Communist parties are still legal, people still have some civil protections (not many, but far more than you'd have in Nazi Germany or Fascist Italy). The US is basically diet fascist. Not quite fully there, but doing as much as it can to get close to it.

Like I said, if the left actually got its shit together then the US would happily fully implement fascism but really that is the only reason it hasn't fully done so.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The US is absolutely fascist toward indigenous and black people. Communist parties aren't illegal (because pretending that they have freedom of speech and association is required to uphold their national myth), but if they're led by black people (e.g. the Black Panthers), they're brutally repressed. It may not be fascist from the perspective of the settlers, but having a relatively privileged ethnic majority and heavily persecuted ethnic minorities is a core part of fascism

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Most of those are quite business as usual for capitalism though. Calling it fascist while good for drawing a parallel isn’t entirely true.

This is going to come down to what words mean, which is dependent on your ideology. As it turns out, European fascism IS capitalism - it comes from capitalism, it protects capitalism, it is required to maintain capitalism, it uses techniques developed through capitalism, it does not destroy capitalism nor replace it. So what's the difference between ideological European racialized capitalism, as a historical phenomenon, and European fascism? From a materialist stand point, literally nothing. From a propaganda standpoint, it's that the violence of capitalism is turned towards Europeans.

Its peak capitalist settler colonialism which is pretty close but not entirely fascist.

Again, settler colonialism is fascism, just directed at non-whites.

Communist parties are still legal

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Control_Act_of_1954

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO

people still have some civil protections (not many, but far more than you’d have in Nazi Germany or Fascist Italy)

They had civil protections. The idea that this is a distinguishing feature is the perspective of white person living in a fascist empire that has been indoctrinated to believe that those other fascists are the real fascists. Just look at the civil liberties of blacks, indigenous, women, queer, and other oppressed groups in the USA.

The US is basically diet fascist

The USA birthed the Third Reich ideologically and scientifically. The Third Reich studied the apartheid of the USA and applied it. They studied our eugenics programs and applied them. They studied our enslavement, our prisons, our management of indigenous genocide and they replicated it.

When the Third Reich was defeated, the USA protected its members, it's distributed them all over the Western hemisphere through Operation Paperclip and distributed them all over Europe through Operation Gladio. They incorporated the Nazis into NATO leadership.

The USA isn't diet fascism, it's the fascist reservoir from which other fascist movements have historically emerged and to which those movements recede.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (11 children)

I think calling every capitalist country fascist dilutes the meaning of the word; as far as I know, the state isn't completely controlled by the bourgeoisie in Russia (despite the West calling them oligarchs, they seem to have significantly less power than their imperial core counterparts), and while there are anti-LGBTQ+ laws which should obviously be condemned, I'm not aware of any mass imprisonment of minorities

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

fascist is when you kill europeans or usa "allies"

[–] [email protected] 25 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

But when you have an actual SS veteran address parliament, well, that's just a mistake.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 11 months ago

Kings and Generals literally has a guy from the NED writing their scripts.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 11 months ago

Really used to enjoy roman documentaries on this channel before they went apeshit with Ukraine stuff. It's not even like they're giving any historical context for the conflict, they're just regurgitating whatever Ukrainian propaganda says.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Stable Diffusion does not know how to generate Soviet uniforms

[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago

You're telling me

[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago

Nor any uniforms tbh.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 11 months ago (1 children)

"Why do videos on Russia always have terrible AI-generated art for their thumbnails" is perhaps the more pressing question.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago

It's because any actual real footage coming out of Russia is obviously Russian propaganda and can't be trusted.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

He follows shaun and contrapoints btw.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago (6 children)

I wanted to like this channel so badly. Their sophomoric modern takes cause me to question their historical accounts.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Virtually all of these YouTube history channels engage in liberal-imperialist propaganda when it comes to modern and early modern historical topics starting with the US war of independence, the French revolution, going through both world wars and the cold war, and now the Ukraine conflict. This is obvious to see, but what is not as obvious to people who may not be particularly well versed in history is that even their medieval/ancient era history videos are incredibly biased with a eurocentric and in particular for the medieval era anglo-centric view of historical events and figures.

They also have the tendency to be incredibly favorable toward certain asian cultures over others, in particular frequently adopting japanophile positions. The most insidious of these channels is K&G since unlike most of the others they do not adopt openly reactionary positions of the kind that other "history channels" do but rather they present as "leftist" and progressive (similar to Extra History) in the way that social democrats usually do. They use this pseudo-leftism to give credibility to anti-communist propaganda.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 11 months ago

Putin should install a giant gold Z on the kremlin that would be sick

[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If I remember correctly Russia was described as a Modern Authoritarian regime in my Political Science class, but I’ll have to look back at my notes.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Modern Authoritarian regime

If Russia is this, so is every "Liberal Democracy" on Earth. All states are authoritarian and "regime" is just a buzzword that means "evil administration" that Liberals use to code their enemies.

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