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[–] [email protected] 94 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (17 children)

Well, stopped drinking when she got the diagnosis, not before, didn't comply with medical advice to stop drinking before hospitalization, and as they said in the article there are a lot of criteria for a living donation, and it's only an option if you otherwise qualify for a donation because of the possibility of rejection requiring an urgent transplant.

A different article said they were trying to raise funds to get the transplant done at an unspecified European hospital, so "yes". I think it's telling that they didn't go to the US, a north American country, or specify the country.
It's worth remembering that the only people who can talk freely are the people who were decided against and are talking about suing.

No one wanted her to die, but with organ transplants it's a case where you're more or less picking who will die. Phrasing it as being punished for bad behavior is unfair to the people who need to decide which people are likely enough to benefit, which isn't easy.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

I believe this is FALSE:

[she] relapsed into drinking while on the transplant list,

Where does it say this? I reread it 3 times. That's a huge part of the story and not one you should just make up!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Not made up, I just read a couple other articles that mentioned it.
It's also part of the whole "the only people who can talk freely are the people with an interest in the doctors being wrong".

People aren't turned away because they didn't exercise or because they work too much or they don't get enough sleep or they didn't follow doctor's orders. So, in Nathan and Amanda's case, you're seeing someone being told, 'You didn't follow doctor's orders, so we're not going to help you. We're going to let you die'

As a quote from the other interested party, as well as the "in documents shared with CTV News, notes show [...] their decision was based on 'minimal abstinence outside of hospital.'" is pretty much spelling it out.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

‘minimal abstinence outside of hospital.’”

I'm not sure why folks seem to think ‘minimal abstinence outside of hospital’ is a smoking gun. That's pretty much how medical staff should document an alcoholic whose sobriety only began while hospitalized. It means she hasn't been able to quit drinking!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

In isolation it's not great, but in conjunction with your own advocate talking about you not following a doctor's orders? It doesn't bolster confidence that the individual would follow doctors orders in the future.

It means she hasn't been able to quit drinking!

Yes, that's exactly the point. It's quite unlikely her medical troubles started when she was hospitalized.
A history of not following medical advice casts doubt about a future of following medical advice.

Yes, addiction is a disease that the individual may lack the ability to control. That doesn't change that it's a risk factor for non-compliance that's absent in others who need the transplant.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

whoa wait a minute. I didn't realize which comment i was replying to. I read three different articles and found NOTHING stating she relapsed.

I do similar documentation and I can promise you that "minimal abstinence outside the hospital" does NOT mean relapse.

I'm gonna have to ask to see the citation or ask you to delete your comment for misinfo

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

I re-traced my steps, and the source was both dogshit, and didn't site primary sources. I edited the original comment to convey non-compliance before hospitalization was required.

Ultimately "was sick, didn't listen when doctors said to stop drinking" conveys the same doubts that "tried to stop but failed" does about suitability for a donor liver.

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