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Is this a normal thing in comic book movies?
No, it's not at all. This is total nonsense. If anything, superheroes are usually persecuted by the government.
Spider-Man specifically is literally an outlaw.
And look at the X-Men. Half the time the gov wants to wipe mutants out.
Maybe you can say that about Captain America, but he was created to defeat the Nazis. So yeah, who the fuck is not on the government side in this situation?
And when the gov became corrupt, Captain America became an outlaw.
So whoever is upvoting this and whoever created this doesn't know much about Marvel or comics.
I mean I don't know that much, but I know the bare minimum to know this is nonsense.
It's a major driving force in Civil War even the watered down version in the MCU.
Tony Stark: I don't have powers but made something that almost wiped out a nation so we should all register with the government that really hasn't liked us all that much.
Captain America: That's a massive invasion of privacy and I fought against those who catalogued people, so get bent.
Well, it's more motivated than the comic version where Reed Richards and Tony Stark suddenly acted like super villians and cloned Thor without his consent as well as establishing a concentration camp for superheroes in the negative zone. Comic Civil War was wild.
Yeah this is my take too. Comic book writers aren't very good at being subtle, so it ended up being Reed Richards and Tony Stark become supervillains for a while. The whole debate about the laws were rendered moot when they made a Thor clone and a negative zone gitmo.
The movie had put the debate over the laws a little more prominently, and it was more about the character's differences in how they saw things. Cap favouring individual responsibility over instituitions made sense given the whole hydra infiltration. Stark not trusting his own judgment makes sense because his story started with almost being killed by a weapon he invented. Different experiences led to different conclusions and neither of these guys turned into super villains.
Nice little touch to have an actual villain manipulating things in the background and almost getting away with it because the heroes were too busy fighting each other to even notice him.
Yeah. The comic civil war had some of the best spin-offs, but the event itself ended up way too black and white. The movie version, I fell right at the knife's edge when it came to whose side I favoured.
To be fair the motivating factor of that one is a bunch of teenage heroes accidentally get a school (and themselves) blown up because they were filming a reality TV show.
To be even more fair it was Nitro (a villain) that blew up the school, not the teenagers.
Only character I liked in that plotline was Wolverine because he didn't bother with any of the bullshit and was just trying to track down Nitro and kill him.
Yeah, but the point of registration (from Stark's point of view) was to train superheros how to engage villains safely. Not run blind into a situation with a villain who can level a square quarter mile at the speed of thought.
Nitro is gonna Nitro, the kids should have known better.
Sounds to me like kids shouldn't be superheroes (looking at you, Xavier).
Hey don't talk shit about Xavier or he'll kill you with his mind powers.
Therefore training children to be in his own personal army is cool and awesome!
Sure but they instantly lost the thread by going after superheroes that didn't sign on before going after Nitro. Dude's still out there and could still blow up more schools, but let's instead duke it out with Captain America because that's more important right now. WTF?
Tony Stark is behaving way more irresponsibly than those teenagers were. But he's heading up an initiative to train teenagers with super powers to be more responsible?
The movie did it better. They weren't debating a law while Ultron was still out there doing his thing. The debate came after Ultron was taken care of. Immediate danger is taken care of, so now we can think about how we can do things better. Comic book version was just Tony Stark and Reed Richards become super villains for a while. Their actions don't really make any sense.
Wolverine was literally pulverized down to his adamantium skeleton by Nitro and regenerated back from that in a matter of, what, 2 minutes? That part always annoyed me to no end
Also Civil War - Cap punches Iron Man, and Iron Man recoiled.
The same Iron Man that takes a tank round while airborne, has an uncontrolled landing, and stands back up with some scratches and scorch marks.
I loathe that film.
Since when has superhero logic ever held up to close inspection?
Sometimes?
Yeah, that take is beyond ridiculous. If unrealistic fiction movies get you that riled up, stick to other genres. There are some great documentaries, too.
Both are kinda weird considering just being in a suit of armor isn't gonna save you from concussive forces turning your body into liquid inside that armor.
Just consider that Captain America is stronger than a tank shell.
He surely has stopped a tank shell with his shield at some point or another.
Also it's pretty common for the strength of super heroes to vary wildly depending on the script's need.
The thing is that the stories are nonsense and unrealistic. There is no way that real superheroes wouldnt be either under government control or spiral out of control like in "the boys". What people hate about these movies is the naive belief that superheroes would be a force of good in the world and not just another tool of destruction like any other weapon.
The stories are just the evolution of the fables of gods walking the earth as men. Comics and fables have some pretty deep meanings. Yes, they are unrealistic. But they are not nonsense.
Superhero stories are usually well aware of how people might abuse super powers. Those people become supervillains. The only way this criticism makes sense is if you think that no one would ever try to use their powers for good.
Perhaps it is naive to tell stories of a powerful being who remains uncorrupted by power. But perhaps it is also naive to tell stories of a man who can fly like a bird. Suggesting that making up fantastical, magical human beings is sensible in itself, and that it is nonsense to then imagine them being both good and powerful seems like an insult to imagination altogether. But I suppose that it's easier for some people to re-imagine the laws of physics than it is for them to temporarily quiet their lack of faith in humanity long enough to enjoy a movie.
It's escapist fantasy lol, of course it couldn't be real, you think radioactive spiderbites would give you any powers other than cancer?
The closest Marvel has to that position is Iron Man. But he still does his own thing, not the government bidding.
The second movie is literally him telling the government to shove it.
I first saw this on the ml equivalent community and a decent chunk of comments were pretty unhinged.
Yeah wasn't marvel banned from using the army sometimes in phase 1 they were told they criticized it too much?
Yes it is, despite all the nay-sayers on here. The super-creep genre has always been reactionary and protective of the status quo.
Are you sure you're not being reactionary? The target of the comic isn't the corporation making the movies. It's attacking the people that watch these movies... people who are largely working class. Seems like an elitist anti working class kind of comic to me.
I'd also put a little blame on lazy writers who want the villains to be relatable so they just make some extremists for otherwise good causes, look at posion ivy who could be easily just be in it for money and power but often push environmental aspects and that's one thing I think the other guy might be getting at
Yes.
No, it doesn't. It literally just demonstrates how we are swamped by this pro-status quo propaganda. That is most definitely not what an "elitist anti-working class" narrative looks like at all. If you want to see what an "elitist anti-working class" narrative looks like, go watch any Batman movie.