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[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 days ago (3 children)

What about something like that ?

https://static.agraf.archi/media/projets/7/08.lg.jpg

8 houses in a row, built using a wood structure and straw bale wall for insulation (thermal AND phonic insulation) and clay plaster. So the construction material is storing CO2 rather than emitting tons of CO2 like concrete does.

It collects rainwater for the garden and has enough solar panels for the community and to contribute to the electrical consumption of the village around it.

It leaves a lot of space for land to develop a food forest, permaculture projects and leave space for biodiversity.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Apartments are never built right. Always cheap out on sound proofing and appliances. Also fuck you if you have a dog

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

Plenty of high quality apartments where I live, in Europe.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago

Plenty of low quality apartments in Europe as well.

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[–] [email protected] 86 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (8 children)

If the island were 100 times larger, the houses would take 1% of the land area, leaving 99%. The apartment complex would take up .04%, leaving 99.96%, which isn't much of an improvement. The proportions of our planet are much closer to my scenario than this made up island. That's a reason why we might not "prefer apartments in our own town."

There are good reasons you might want density, this just isn't one of them.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, but most people don't live in that other 90% . Most people live in urban and suburban areas where most if not all of the land is privately owned. Because of this the problem shown of fitting 100 households into 25 acres is way more common than your scenario of fitting 100 households on 2500 acres

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 days ago

And having trees and nature near urban venters is very much desirable, to help with air pollution (tho really not a lot), heat concentration and humidity.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago (8 children)

You think the corporate apartment developer is going to let all that stay green? That many people in apartments, you need a few parking lots, shopping malls, corporate centers, and then some more apartments once the rent goes up.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Perhaps in some parts of suburban north america. However, well-designed walkable, bikeable cities with proper transit don't require mega big box stores all in one zoned area that you drive to from a sprawling suburb.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago (17 children)

First one. I've lived in condos and I will do anything to always live in a house now. It's the literal reason we sold a condo to buy a house.

Life has been much better ever since.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Why build up when we can build down to utilize geothermal. Under ground houses saves nature!

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

What not many people are touching on:

In 2, the owner of the building likely owns the rest of the land as well as the apartment. You are a slave to the owner as he owns the island and your "beautiful view" will either be absolutely not developed at all so it is difficult to use as a park or a source of food without explicit consent from your ruler. No community gardens without tons of power tripping and infighting of course either.

In 2, the owner of the apartment and land can and will bulldoze the entire forest and completely pave it over if there is the slightest hint that he can make more money that way, then jack up your rent for the privelage of living in a hellhole. Conservation of nature my ass. The building owner has a 99% chance about not giving a shit about conserving the rest. They will turn it into monoculture or cattle farming or a parking lot and stores. This post is literally landlord propaganda.

Edit: owns the apartment building, not apartment.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago (9 children)

You're assuming that in 1 you own the property and in 2nd you're renting. A strawman argument if I ever saw one.

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 3 days ago (11 children)

But then you have to live in an apartment…

The neighbors kids who live above you will stomp around at 2:00am.

The neighbors below you will complain when you make the slightest noise.

[–] [email protected] 96 points 3 days ago (18 children)

I guess that's just an argument for better made apartments.

[–] [email protected] 75 points 3 days ago (5 children)

That's really the foundational problem. If you could exist without bugging or being bugged by the neighbors dense housing would be so much more appealing

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago (3 children)

The real crime is that fucking font. I'd rather just burn down the whole island.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Because FUCK living that close to other people. Humans fucking suck to be close to and I'd go fucking postal having to deal with that shit.

I hate my neighbors as it is and barely see them. If I could hear their shithead kids screaming and throwing themselves into the walls I'd burn down a city block.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago

We all know that soon enough, the center of the island will be filled with cheap appartement blocks, and all the beaches and access to water will be owned by rich people with huge houses.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The picture on the left could be even worse. There are areas where people move in and tear all the greenery out of the garden and then either cover everything with paving stones or gravel. Everything around the house! Then there's also an ugly metal fence or plastic elements in the garden, sometimes you can see fake plants.

Some humans are so stupid...

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